1. Cross Country Course Maps & Photo Tours

Miccosukee Greenway XC Course Tour

NOTE! NOTE! NOTE! Post 2008 season large cross country meets formerly held here are likely moving away from Miccosukee Greenway. Reportedly ( here and here ) meets will be held at Apalachee Regional Park beginning fall 2009. A look at this popular course, 50 meters at a time. Where's this venue? Within the blue rectangle: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=517844 The venue is a small portion of "Miccosukee Canopy Road Greenway," managed by Leon County Division of Parks and Recreation, Mr. Pat Plocek, Director: http://www.leoncountyfl.gov/PARKS/greenways.asp Maps of the park: http://tlcgis6.co.leon.fl.us/website/Parks_SDE/Maps/MiccosukeeGW_Overview.pdf (Entire park) http://tlcgis6.co.leon.fl.us/website/Parks_SDE/Maps/MiccosukeeGW_EdenfieldThornton.pdf (Section west of I-10) http://tlcgis6.co.leon.fl.us/website/Parks_SDE/Maps/MiccosukeeGW_I-10Crump.pdf (Section east of I-10) All trails on the Greenway (including some abandoned ones) are viewable here: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/2822399 That GPS track from my 24May07 ride began and ended a few miles from the Greenway. The Greenway's west trailhead is off Fleischmann Road. The east trailhead is ~7M away, off Crump Road. The section south of Miccosukee Road includes singletrack different than the rest of the Greenway. 7Nov07 GPS track of just the 5Km course (anticlockwise) is downloadable, here: http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/activity/4382312 Load these .kml files into Google Earth for best viewing/mapping. ABOUT THIS COURSE TOUR: Most of these photos are taken with my camera's digital equivalent of a "normal" focal length lens, for a natural perspective. I've tried to identify the shots taken with a wide angle equivalent. In those photos, things appear farther away than they really are. I'm showing two photo tour versions of the 5K. One shows the course running the "East Loop" (between 1470m and 3600m) ANTI-CLOCKWISE. See gallery pages 4-8 for that segment of the course. The other shows the East Loop CLOCKWISE. See gallery pages 9-13. The course tour after the East Loop continues on gallery page 13. NOTE: 1 Dec 07 FACA Senior All-Star Meet will run clockwise, or "highside first." Miccosukee Madness and FSU Invite normally run clockwise, or "highside first.." 1A/3A Regional FHSAA meet, 4 Nov 06, and the 18 Nov 06 FACA Senior All-Star Meet ran anti-clockwise, or "lowside first." 10 Nov 2007 3A/1A/2A FHSAA Meet (plus the Open 5Km to follow) ran anti-clockwise, or "lowside first." My preference? Anti-clockwise East Loop, or "lowside first." I think it has better flow, and any soft sand on the highside is easier to run going downhill than up. Maps posted below. Print the appropriate one and follow along. You might also try these FSU XC "highside first" 5Km/8Km maps: http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/c-xc/auto_pdf/BothCourses.pdf 5Km HS course records: Boys' record - choose between: Eric Larson's 2007 3A Region 1 Meet 15:18.72 http://fl.milesplit.us/meets/30050/results/59345 Ryder Leary's 2002 FACA Sr. All-Star Meet 15:18.80 http://fl.milesplit.us/meets/3179/results/6086 (Ryder's may have been measured NCAA/tangent, which would make his 5Km ~70m longer.) Girls' record: Jenny Barringer's 2004 FACA Sr. All-Star Meet 17:32.70 http://fl.milesplit.us/meets/9104/results/19972 8K course is basically the same as the 5K, but runs two ~4K loops, then turns downhill to finish ~200m down near the 1Km point. NOTE: I used the NFHS "center of course tread" measurement for these shots. Everyone else (e.g., "community" races, Collegiate) should use the tangent method. That extends the course. Neither is incorrect. Measurement techniques obviously affect attempts to keep meaningful "course records." Of course so does, "Do I have a dog in this hunt?" I do believe NFHS needs to drop the center of course method. It can be used effectively with a wide course tread and lots of turns to achieve a "legal" short course. But it is still in the 2006 NFHS "Track and Field and Cross Country Rules Book," TFRB06, Rule 9.1, p.66: "Measurement shall be along the middle of the course." As of 2006, FHSAA has not modified that specification/technique. Back to our Miccosukee Greenway venue. Tangent-measured variants (e.g. FSU Invite) typically throw in a cul-de-sac loop at the top of the hill. This little loop adds about 70m each time it's substituted for a simple left turn down the hill. Mowing width variations also affect the course length and splits. Please keep these points in mind if some of these photos seem to be different from where you think they should be. THIS SITE is private property, and doesn't necessarily represent any other individual or organization. You are welcome to download/use my photos for your private enjoyment, including printing them. Any other usage/linking must come from me in writing (email ok), with credit given. Questions, pre-scoldings, comments, ID, complaints? Thanks, John Kalin Email me TallahasseeTrails on YouTube. "If I fall you're going down with me" - Trail running advice from my Dixie Chicks
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  • This map is for the CLOCKWISE ("highside first") East Loop running of the 5K/8K.<br />
FSU Invite uses this variant.<br />
1 Dec 2007 FACA Senior All-Star Meet will use this version.<br />
<br />
Print it out to follow along while viewing the course.

    This map is for the CLOCKWISE ("highside first") East Loop running of the 5K/8K.
    FSU Invite uses this variant.
    1 Dec 2007 FACA Senior All-Star Meet will use this version.

    Print it out to follow along while viewing the course.

    miccosukeegreenwayparkxc

  • This map is for the ANTI-CLOCKWISE ("lowside first") East Loop running of the 5K.<br />
I left out course direction arrows. Not necessary. Just follow the splits, and it makes sense, ok?<br />
<br />
We used this variant for the 2006 FHSAA 1A/3A Region 1 meet and FACA SENIOR ALL-STAR MEET.<br />
10 Nov 2007 FHSAA 3A/1A/2A/Open 5k used this course variant.<br />
<br />
Print it out to follow along while viewing the course.<br />
<br />
Map rev. 9Nov07

    This map is for the ANTI-CLOCKWISE ("lowside first") East Loop running of the 5K.
    I left out course direction arrows. Not necessary. Just follow the splits, and it makes sense, ok?

    We used this variant for the 2006 FHSAA 1A/3A Region 1 meet and FACA SENIOR ALL-STAR MEET.
    10 Nov 2007 FHSAA 3A/1A/2A/Open 5k used this course variant.

    Print it out to follow along while viewing the course.

    Map rev. 9Nov07

  • Welcome to the Edenfield trailhead of the ~7M long Miccosukee Canopy Road Greenway! The Greenway extends west another 1.5M&#43; to Fleishmann Road, and east 5M&#43; past I-10 to Crump Road. The Edenfield area has the lowest elevation of this "linear" passive park.

http://www.leoncountyfl.gov/parks/greenways.asp

    Welcome to the Edenfield trailhead of the ~7M long Miccosukee Canopy Road Greenway! The Greenway extends west another 1.5M+ to Fleishmann Road, and east 5M+ past I-10 to Crump Road. The Edenfield area has the lowest elevation of this "linear" passive park. http://www.leoncountyfl.gov/parks/greenways.asp

  • Via an flrunners.com forum thread:<br />
<br /> <a href="http://forums.milesplit.com/topic.php?id=29573">http://forums.milesplit.com/topic.php?id=29573</a><br />
We have this comment from one "dugco:"<br />
"hmmmmm Open race goes off at 5:30 pm... better get the tiki torches ready. John, does the Pugsly have a headlight?! Maybe you could go do another quick photo tour at around 5:40 pm"<br />
<br />
How 'bout this here shot for a simulation?

    Via an flrunners.com forum thread:

    http://forums.milesplit.com/topic.php?id=29573
    We have this comment from one "dugco:"
    "hmmmmm Open race goes off at 5:30 pm... better get the tiki torches ready. John, does the Pugsly have a headlight?! Maybe you could go do another quick photo tour at around 5:40 pm"

    How 'bout this here shot for a simulation?

    runfasterorbringatikitorch

  • START FUNNEL<br />
A view from the middle of the start line, looking down the start funnel.

    START FUNNEL
    A view from the middle of the start line, looking down the start funnel.

  • START<br />
Looking left along the starting line.<br />
We've "traditionally" started about even with this tree, located off the left edge of the line.<br />
In the distance is the small parking lot at the Edenfield Road trailhead. During meets the field between us and the parking lot is used to fit a large number of vehicles.<br />
With additional parking possible at the Thornton Road trailhead to the east, can you say State Meet?<br />
<br />
NOTE:<br />
Slight course revision for 2007 has the ~1250m point going around that tree "highside" rather than below it. (Gallery page 4 does not yet show that change.) I consider that an improvement. When possible, it's best to anchor turns around "immovable" objects.

    START
    Looking left along the starting line.
    We've "traditionally" started about even with this tree, located off the left edge of the line.
    In the distance is the small parking lot at the Edenfield Road trailhead. During meets the field between us and the parking lot is used to fit a large number of vehicles.
    With additional parking possible at the Thornton Road trailhead to the east, can you say State Meet?

    NOTE:
    Slight course revision for 2007 has the ~1250m point going around that tree "highside" rather than below it. (Gallery page 4 does not yet show that change.) I consider that an improvement. When possible, it's best to anchor turns around "immovable" objects.

  • 50m

    50m

  • 100m

    100m

  • 150m

    150m

  • 200m<br />
We'll turn right, around that brushpile.<br />
Lots of spectators/photogs here.

    200m
    We'll turn right, around that brushpile.
    Lots of spectators/photogs here.

  • 250m

    250m

  • 300m

    300m

  • 350m<br />
The much talked about hill is just after we hang a left.

    350m
    The much talked about hill is just after we hang a left.

  • 400m<br />
The hill's only a bit over 200m long, ~50ft elevation increase. Real runners don't whine. There's a very runnable downhill soon enough.<br />
<br />
If you want to complain about hills, try running the Barkley:<br />
<br /> <a href="http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/">http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/</a><br />
Ask me about the time I shared a hotel room with a "Real Man of Genius," Barkley RD Gary Cantrell.

    400m
    The hill's only a bit over 200m long, ~50ft elevation increase. Real runners don't whine. There's a very runnable downhill soon enough.

    If you want to complain about hills, try running the Barkley:

    http://www.mattmahoney.net/barkley/
    Ask me about the time I shared a hotel room with a "Real Man of Genius," Barkley RD Gary Cantrell.

  • 450m

    450m

  • 500m

    500m

  • 550m

    550m

  • 600m<br />
We're about to turn left here to go back downhill. At the top is also a cul-de-sac which is sometimes used. It adds a NET of about 70m compared to just taking this left.<br />
That 70m or so is the difference between measuring the course center-of-tread vs. tangent.<br />
Subject to mowing width variations.

    600m
    We're about to turn left here to go back downhill. At the top is also a cul-de-sac which is sometimes used. It adds a NET of about 70m compared to just taking this left.
    That 70m or so is the difference between measuring the course center-of-tread vs. tangent.
    Subject to mowing width variations.

  • 610m<br />
A peek around the corner at this sweet downhill. That's the parking lot in the distance. Cul-de-sac is to my right.<br />
Didn't I say earlier that it's a ~200m uphill? Well, you now will get a ~400m downhiil, ok? No one seems to mention that . . .

    610m
    A peek around the corner at this sweet downhill. That's the parking lot in the distance. Cul-de-sac is to my right.
    Didn't I say earlier that it's a ~200m uphill? Well, you now will get a ~400m downhiil, ok? No one seems to mention that . . .

  • CUL-DE-SAC<br />
A wide angle view from behind this optional loop at the top of the hill. Start funnel is visible straight ahead in the distance.<br />
Why do some races use the cul-de-sac? When you're setting up the course measuring tangents, you get to the finish "later." That would put the finish nearer the parking lot. Using the cul-de-sac pulls the finish line back. If this confuses you, you're reasonably normal.<br />
<br />
Wide-angle view. Things are closer than they appear.

    CUL-DE-SAC
    A wide angle view from behind this optional loop at the top of the hill. Start funnel is visible straight ahead in the distance.
    Why do some races use the cul-de-sac? When you're setting up the course measuring tangents, you get to the finish "later." That would put the finish nearer the parking lot. Using the cul-de-sac pulls the finish line back. If this confuses you, you're reasonably normal.

    Wide-angle view. Things are closer than they appear.

  • CUL-DE-SAC VIEW 2<br />
Normal lens view. You might make out the Pugsley's handlebar, pointing straight up at the starting funnel.<br />
Using the cul-de-sac adds about 70m each time it is substituted for the left turn.

    CUL-DE-SAC VIEW 2
    Normal lens view. You might make out the Pugsley's handlebar, pointing straight up at the starting funnel.
    Using the cul-de-sac adds about 70m each time it is substituted for the left turn.

  • 650m

    650m

  • 700m

    700m

  • 750m

    750m

  • 800m

    800m

  • 850m

    850m

  • 900m

    900m

  • 950m

    950m

  • 1Km<br />
We'll now begin an easy-to-work climb to a turn at 1200m by the little "start tree."<br />
<br />
You will be running through a bunch of screaming fans all the way up!

    1Km
    We'll now begin an easy-to-work climb to a turn at 1200m by the little "start tree."

    You will be running through a bunch of screaming fans all the way up!

  • 1050m

    1050m

  • 1100m

    1100m

  • 1150m<br />
NOTE: The course has been revised slightly from these photos. It now goes to the left of the little "start line tree," up ahead. These photos show the course going below (to the right of) the tree.

    1150m
    NOTE: The course has been revised slightly from these photos. It now goes to the left of the little "start line tree," up ahead. These photos show the course going below (to the right of) the tree.

  • 1200m<br />
We're making a right turn onto the trail across the "top" of the Edenfield Field - yeah.<br />
That's the little tree even with the start line, remember?<br />
NOTE: As referred to in the last photo's notes, the course now goes to the left of ("above") the little tree.

    1200m
    We're making a right turn onto the trail across the "top" of the Edenfield Field - yeah.
    That's the little tree even with the start line, remember?
    NOTE: As referred to in the last photo's notes, the course now goes to the left of ("above") the little tree.

  • 1250m<br />
See the trail up ahead to the left? Ok, maybe not. We'll take it on the way back from the East Loop as we near 4Km.

    1250m
    See the trail up ahead to the left? Ok, maybe not. We'll take it on the way back from the East Loop as we near 4Km.

  • 1300m

    1300m

  • 1350m

    1350m

  • 1400m

    1400m

  • WITH THIS PHOTO, WE BEGIN THE "RIGHT-SIDE FIRST," "LOW-SIDE FIRST," or "ANTI-CLOCKWISE EAST LOOP" version of the 5Km. If you're running the clockwise variant (as in the FSU Invite), skip ahead to Gallery Page 9!<br />
<br />
1450m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]<br />
We're going to stay straight ahead here, as I'm now showing you the anti-clockwise (lowside first) East Loop. The East Loop is 2130m.

    WITH THIS PHOTO, WE BEGIN THE "RIGHT-SIDE FIRST," "LOW-SIDE FIRST," or "ANTI-CLOCKWISE EAST LOOP" version of the 5Km. If you're running the clockwise variant (as in the FSU Invite), skip ahead to Gallery Page 9!

    1450m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]
    We're going to stay straight ahead here, as I'm now showing you the anti-clockwise (lowside first) East Loop. The East Loop is 2130m.

  • 1500m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1500m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1550m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1550m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1600m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]<br />
Almost 1M, as we enter the lowside woods trail.

    1600m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]
    Almost 1M, as we enter the lowside woods trail.

  • 1650m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1650m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1700m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1700m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1750m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1750m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1800m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1800m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1850m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]<br />
The worst roots on the course are just ahead between those trees. No biggie - just be aware, ok?<br />
This is the point on the course that we'd be hitting 2M (coming in the opposite direction) if we were running the clockwise variant.

    1850m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]
    The worst roots on the course are just ahead between those trees. No biggie - just be aware, ok?
    This is the point on the course that we'd be hitting 2M (coming in the opposite direction) if we were running the clockwise variant.

  • 1900m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]

    1900m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]

  • 1950m<br />
[Anti-clockwise East Loop]<br />
The "Butterfly Meadow" is almost visible up ahead.

    1950m
    [Anti-clockwise East Loop]
    The "Butterfly Meadow" is almost visible up ahead.

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